Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/02/Category:Victorian Turkish baths

Category:Victorian Turkish baths

I don't know how this should be, but starting off what seems to be a discussion about categorization by creating a parentless category is certainly not the right way to go about this. Please let's work out what we want to do here. Jmabel ! talk 22:13, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your interest. Although I have made several minor changes to wiki pages over the years, I have never done a major revision or, specifically, added an image. I have clearly done something wrong for which I apologise. I thought there was some sort of connection between Wiki Commons and Wiki. I was involved a couple of years ago in the decision to split the "Turkish baths" article (because there is no easily defined entity relating tothat phrase). It was agreed to have two pages, one on "Hammam" and the other on "Victorian Turkish bath". The page was split, but the VTB page mainly consisted of what had been on the earlier page. I undertook to see whether it might be made more accurate and comprehensive.

From 28 November 2023 I indicated what I was proposing in some detail and asked for views on the Victorian Turkish Bath Talk page. Later I drew attention to this page on the Hammam talk page.

I am about to place the first part of the revised article online, and to this end I have added 14 images, all but one of which specifically relates to Victorian Turkish baths. They are not public baths, nor are they so-called "Turkish baths", or saunas, banya, etc, all of which should fall intop a new major category 'Hot-air baths'.

I did put a request for help in obtaining this new category some time in the last 48 hours but, alas, I can't remember where I put it.

I believe that it would be helpful to put this revised page on wiki so that it can, with help for others, form the basis of a page worthy of Wikipedia. Alas, I find the instructions to do various, probably simple, operations often difficult to understand unless one has plenty of time to spend on learning it properly.

As I am approaching my 89th birthday, I would consider it a favour if some kind person would tell me simply how to get a new category so I can start uploading my page. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you. Ishpoloni (talk) 00:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

13 of the 14 images I uploaded can be found at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Victorian_Turkish_baths

The 14th I added the category to an image which was classified in several sub-categories (?) under which no one interested in VTb would find it.

If you search for images on "Turkish baths" on Commons you will find that all but a dozen or so should be categorised under Hammam. I should have thought that this needs rectification, but this is for someone else more knowledgeable about the subject than I.

Again thank you for your interest. I hope it will encourage others to join in. Ishpoloni (talk) 01:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

It looks like the 28 November 2023 remarks Ishpoloni is referring to are at en:Talk:Victorian Turkish bath. Ishpoloni, you may or may not already know: the English-language Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons are two separate (though related) web sites, "sister projects" under the Wikimedia Foundation. - Jmabel ! talk 03:06, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

No, I hadn't realised this. I was confused because it seemed to me that the only way you could add an omage to a Wikipedia page was by using Wikipedia Commons. Thank you for pointing this out. So what should I do now to get a speedy result?

By the way, although I was suggesting VTb as a major category for the images I uploaded, I wasn't, of course, suggesting that this should be the only category that applied to all of them. Obviously the Free_Press.jpg file would also be important under the 'History of newspapers in the United Kingdom' category, but with time being short that is not my present concern.

On the other hand, while the image "Turkish Bath, Lincoln Place, Dublin (30446879771).jpg" can legitimately be categorised as 'Buildings in Dublin', it was incorrect to label it as 'hammam' or 'public baths' both of which have specific meanings which do not apply. Was I wrong to delete them and add the image to VTb? The faux-minaretted building in the picture could be said to be cortrectly categorised as the first haute cuisine restaurant in Ireland, but no-one seems to have suggested this.

However, my main concern is still, where do I go from here? Or do I just wait and work on something else? Ishpoloni (talk) 10:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, please, have some patience. I posted at Commons:Administrators' noticeboard hoping to get some attention for this discussion, but at any given time there are literally hundreds of issues moving forward. - Jmabel ! talk 19:30, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I do appreciate your help. Ishpoloni (talk) 01:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Notice now left at Commons:Village pump as well, hoping to get someone to help out here. - Jmabel ! talk 19:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)